I knew that I wanted to direct movies before I had anything to direct.
And that was really frustrating for a long time.
Because like I had this awareness of the desire, but like nowhere to put it.
I was just fixated on this image of, like a chair on the bottom of the ocean.
Like a chair from a classroom and it was so. . .
Like that chair didn't belong there, and it was really scary for that chair to be there.
I started thinking about capturing that image and why I was so fixated on it.
God, like with writing, with directing, anything, it's like. . .
I think I had to grow up to realize that you don't need to be smarter than other people, that you don't need to know things that people don't know.
You know you're not like providing like, a syllabus to life.
It's really more of just a personal experience to try and like bridge this gap between us, where you go,"gosh I've had this idea, and I wanna say it really loudly, to see how many people feel that way, so we can be less alone".
That's why you make movies, you know.
And, the directors that I've worked with that I couldn't even touch, like just people that are scholars, people that have just spent their whole lives obsessing over film, and watching every single one of them, and went to school and did, you know what I mean.
Like I could never, I mean, look, I'm so not there.
But then when they have a moment that's regular and ordinary with you, the thing that they're absolutely best at is just making someone feel comfortable enough to like be themselves.
That's not something that you learn. It's not something you can teach other people.
There are a million mistakes you can make, but it's not about making this perfect thing.
If you get to the end of an experience and you feel like everyone's kind of better because of it, I guarantee you that whatever footage you capture would be kind of interesting to watch.
So, yeah, I wanna kind of do that as much as I can.
You sound like a woman to me, but you insist you are a man.
You know it's not really my responsibility to help lead you through your own discomfort on how I make you feel.
I can be never a woman be.
What I really love about the movie is that JT really is kind of an idea,
And whether or not you were kind of like personally enraged by the lie of it, it just makes you sort of go well. What is the truth and like what is a lie, because everyone has their own version of that, and if you say you are someone that you are not, and then who are you to say who I am.
You know what I mean, so it's I think the cool thing about the movie is that something that's becoming a lot easier for people that are like younger than me, is that it's really not confounding, because it's not something that you can understand.
Like it's I think that the confusion and sort of like discomfort that people have involving gender politics makes total sense, because nobody wants to feel stupid, and nobody wants to feel wrong or like an asshole.
And sometimes if you don't know something immediately you feel stupid and you feel wrong you feel like an asshole, it's like okay but just like if you have a little patience it's not easy.
Like the conversation is longer if you actually care about someone, and you care about knowing them then if you, you know, provide some time.
And I think those like knee-jerk reactions are hopefully becoming a thing of the past.
You don't have to know immediately but just chill out, and you know I think in JT there's that sort of eruption, but I would love to think that we're kind of becoming a little bit more comfortable with not knowing stuff.